PAUL Kavanagh, aka the Wee Ginger Duck (so says official court documents...), and National editor Callum Baird were back in the studio for another podcast.

With Paul having been a witness in the case, the pair discuss the outcome of the Wings Over Scotland v Kezia Dugdale defamation case.

Paul also discusses the reaction to his latest column – which was rather successful in winding up the British nationalists.

We're all feeling the frustration around a lack of indyref2 ... but where are we at with it? And Callum has details of a piece from the First Minister in tomorrow's paper related to this...

He also answers a question that has been floating around on social media: Does Ruth Davidson's brother work for The National?

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